Some people get famous for inventing penicillin or being the first human on the Moon. Others become known for their evil deeds. After tragedies, we often hear people who knew criminals describe them as people who "wouldn't hurt a fly." But are there really never signs that a person might become a monster?
Bored Panda found several threads online where people who knew criminals notorious for taking other people's lives described what they were like before they started their crime sprees. "People who were friends with someone that turned out to be a serial [criminal], what were they like?," one person asked. Lots of people came forward: those who knew notorious monsters like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, and Christopher Duntsch, as well as individuals whose friends and acquaintances did unimaginably evil things.
#21

My little sister dated a guy when she was in high school who ended up murdering a couple he owed money to for h****n. This dude beat them with a baseball bat and hammer. He almost got the d***h sentence, but ended up with life in prison with no possibility of parole.
He was a seemingly nice, polite teenager. I used to drive him and my sister around for various dates and things. He was quiet, but not oddly so. He just seemed like a normal teenage boy.
***EDIT: Sorry, I just got some clarification on some details. The m****r weapons were actually a microphone stand and a hammer. He is eligible for parole after 51 years. This happened in 2015.
He was a seemingly nice, polite teenager. I used to drive him and my sister around for various dates and things. He was quiet, but not oddly so. He just seemed like a normal teenage boy.
***EDIT: Sorry, I just got some clarification on some details. The m****r weapons were actually a microphone stand and a hammer. He is eligible for parole after 51 years. This happened in 2015.
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#22
I felt for years that my brother, who is 10 months younger than me, would end up k*****g someone. He just absolutely doesn't care about other people and had been in and out of jail for violent offences all his adult life.
In 2011 he had a fight with his friend and beat him over the head with a tire iron in his own house because he was imposing there and the friend told him he should leave. He only served 8 months in jail for this because of legal b******t that blamed the hospital for not saving the guy's life. Manslaughter with intent. He has bragged ever since about getting away with m****r.
I hate him and avoid him and my family as much as possible (get most info about them off Facebook). I honestly wasn't surprised at all, I just hoped that he would go to jail and not be let out this time. He is currently in jail now for punching his 8 week old baby. The baby is ok and the mother takes her to visit him in jail. Yes I have called CPS, several times.
In 2011 he had a fight with his friend and beat him over the head with a tire iron in his own house because he was imposing there and the friend told him he should leave. He only served 8 months in jail for this because of legal b******t that blamed the hospital for not saving the guy's life. Manslaughter with intent. He has bragged ever since about getting away with m****r.
I hate him and avoid him and my family as much as possible (get most info about them off Facebook). I honestly wasn't surprised at all, I just hoped that he would go to jail and not be let out this time. He is currently in jail now for punching his 8 week old baby. The baby is ok and the mother takes her to visit him in jail. Yes I have called CPS, several times.
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#23

I graduated high school with Dr. Death, Chris Duntsch.
He was a [jerk]. He was charming with teachers and people who could benefit him. He was awful to everybody else. I didn’t see it, but one or more awkward and vulnerable classmates said he bullied him relentlessly, and I believe it.
He was easily irritated and if you got on his nerves he would really lose his cool. Remarkably mean. And people would just shrug their shoulders and say that’s just how Chris is.
He was a [jerk]. He was charming with teachers and people who could benefit him. He was awful to everybody else. I didn’t see it, but one or more awkward and vulnerable classmates said he bullied him relentlessly, and I believe it.
He was easily irritated and if you got on his nerves he would really lose his cool. Remarkably mean. And people would just shrug their shoulders and say that’s just how Chris is.
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#24

My sister was k****d by her fiancé. He was, well, normal. Took good care of her during recovery from surgery. A bit weird , but nothing stands out. Weird as in opposite interests and shy where my sister was outgoing. Never would have expected it from him. Until I had to clean out their place and found a bunch of guns and load of knives and stuff.
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#25

Grew up with a guy in my hood who k****d his Mom and her boyfriend with a baseball bat. He was 16 at the time as was I. It was part of a plot by a bunch of nerds who would k**l their parents and runoff to Florida. He was the only one to go through with it.
He was always a little different. Had poor social skills. He got in a lot of fights too. But would have never seen this coming. You never know what’s really in someone’s head.
He was always a little different. Had poor social skills. He got in a lot of fights too. But would have never seen this coming. You never know what’s really in someone’s head.
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#26

Boy a couple years my minor in high school. He was always the outcast in his classes. He dressed funny, talked funny, and said disturbing things that some recall as threats (mostly to the girls of the school).
After graduation, he ended up butchering a homeless woman he was.. I cant say living together or in a relationship with... im not sure what their status was. Either way, kitchen knife, drained her into the tub. in court he showed no remorse and was proud to have "finally ended someone's life".
His father was my professor in university. He took it very hard.
After graduation, he ended up butchering a homeless woman he was.. I cant say living together or in a relationship with... im not sure what their status was. Either way, kitchen knife, drained her into the tub. in court he showed no remorse and was proud to have "finally ended someone's life".
His father was my professor in university. He took it very hard.
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#27

I went to High School with a girl who poisoned her father. No one knew until she confessed a year later watching a Shakespeare play in College. She was a little weird in school, but I didn't think she was capable of that.. She confessed to my cousin btw.. Sheesh.
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#28
The younger brother of a girl I was friends with in middle school and high school. They had some struggles growing up and I know their mother was an a*****e relationship because we gave her some help getting away from her husband.
Are we connected many many years later and found out that the younger brother had m******d someone. Initially it sounded pretty gruesome but when I actually read Court reports I kind of felt bad for the kid.
he had some mental illness issues but as a teenager apparently he had been groomed by a much much older man into a s****l relationship where the man provided money shelter and of course d***s. He was extremely controlling and a*****e.
Eventually the kid tried to get away and was trying to start a new life with a girl he met but this guy tracked him down and blackmailed him.
Eventually kid snapped and m******d him. I think I felt worse for the kid because a lot of people can't get away from their abusers.
Edit: for those who asked, he was 16 year old runaway with a history of d**g problems when he started seeing the more than 20-years older guy who used to film him. He struggled with d***s but was doing well and he met with the man to tell him he loved someone else and he want going to see him again.
His story is that the guy attacked him saying he'd rather he died than break up. He had injuries consistent with fending off a knife attack and said he k****d the man in self-defense. What probably really screwed him over is that he didn't call the cops He hid the body instead.
Despite all of the evidence pointing to him bring preyed on, he got a sentence that is longer than the average human lifespan. He committed the crime in a place where being gay or bisexual isn't really acceptable. a lot of the stories in the news refer to him as a hustler and say that he k****d one of his patrons.
Are we connected many many years later and found out that the younger brother had m******d someone. Initially it sounded pretty gruesome but when I actually read Court reports I kind of felt bad for the kid.
he had some mental illness issues but as a teenager apparently he had been groomed by a much much older man into a s****l relationship where the man provided money shelter and of course d***s. He was extremely controlling and a*****e.
Eventually the kid tried to get away and was trying to start a new life with a girl he met but this guy tracked him down and blackmailed him.
Eventually kid snapped and m******d him. I think I felt worse for the kid because a lot of people can't get away from their abusers.
Edit: for those who asked, he was 16 year old runaway with a history of d**g problems when he started seeing the more than 20-years older guy who used to film him. He struggled with d***s but was doing well and he met with the man to tell him he loved someone else and he want going to see him again.
His story is that the guy attacked him saying he'd rather he died than break up. He had injuries consistent with fending off a knife attack and said he k****d the man in self-defense. What probably really screwed him over is that he didn't call the cops He hid the body instead.
Despite all of the evidence pointing to him bring preyed on, he got a sentence that is longer than the average human lifespan. He committed the crime in a place where being gay or bisexual isn't really acceptable. a lot of the stories in the news refer to him as a hustler and say that he k****d one of his patrons.
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#29
My aunt on my paternal side k****d her 5 month old baby, broke into her neighbor's basement and tried to hide his body there.
Prior to this event, the family was very close. My dad was one of 6 children and after their father (my grandfather) shot and k****d himself, they became closer.
The day it happened, my aunt called her husband at the time and said that the baby was missing. He rushed home only to find her perfectly calm and showing very little panic or worry. He felt it was odd and called the police after discovering that she hadn't.
It didn't take long for the neighbor to discover the baby in their basement because the door from the outside looked as though it had been tampered with so they checked it out after hearing about the disappearance of my cousin. He was wrapped up in two towels and placed in a box with dishes.
It wasn't long before clues were all pieced together and it was found that she drowned him in the bathtub. She never had an ounce of remorse and when my uncle asked why she'd ever do something like that, her answer was "Because I hated him."
This tore up my family pretty bad. Half believed she was innocent due to some sort of insanity therefore couldn't have done this or wouldn't have done this in her right mind and the other half chose to have absolutely nothing to do with her. Now, the family is divided and they very rarely speak to one another without tension being really high.
It makes me sick to my stomach to think she will be let out of jail relatively soon. I'm disgusted by her and by the part of my family that truly tries to stick by her and blames everything and everyone (including my uncle) for her actions except for herself.
And to answer your question: I reacted like anyone would to hear about the d***h of their baby cousin, I was devastated. Once I found out my aunt did it, I felt sick for weeks because she and I are of the same family and I immediately wished I belonged to another. I still feel sick when I think about it all these years later.
**Edit: I keep seeing a lot of Post Partum Depression and Post Partum Psychosis posts...well, I want to inform you all that both are temporary. It's been 8 (almost 9) years and she still has no remorse, says that she wouldn't have done things differently, and genuinely doesn't give a d**n. If I felt like it had been either that set her over the edge, I would have some sort of sympathy but what you all do not know is that she was always a rather cold and callus person... and I absolutely believe given the chance, she'd do it again.**.
Prior to this event, the family was very close. My dad was one of 6 children and after their father (my grandfather) shot and k****d himself, they became closer.
The day it happened, my aunt called her husband at the time and said that the baby was missing. He rushed home only to find her perfectly calm and showing very little panic or worry. He felt it was odd and called the police after discovering that she hadn't.
It didn't take long for the neighbor to discover the baby in their basement because the door from the outside looked as though it had been tampered with so they checked it out after hearing about the disappearance of my cousin. He was wrapped up in two towels and placed in a box with dishes.
It wasn't long before clues were all pieced together and it was found that she drowned him in the bathtub. She never had an ounce of remorse and when my uncle asked why she'd ever do something like that, her answer was "Because I hated him."
This tore up my family pretty bad. Half believed she was innocent due to some sort of insanity therefore couldn't have done this or wouldn't have done this in her right mind and the other half chose to have absolutely nothing to do with her. Now, the family is divided and they very rarely speak to one another without tension being really high.
It makes me sick to my stomach to think she will be let out of jail relatively soon. I'm disgusted by her and by the part of my family that truly tries to stick by her and blames everything and everyone (including my uncle) for her actions except for herself.
And to answer your question: I reacted like anyone would to hear about the d***h of their baby cousin, I was devastated. Once I found out my aunt did it, I felt sick for weeks because she and I are of the same family and I immediately wished I belonged to another. I still feel sick when I think about it all these years later.
**Edit: I keep seeing a lot of Post Partum Depression and Post Partum Psychosis posts...well, I want to inform you all that both are temporary. It's been 8 (almost 9) years and she still has no remorse, says that she wouldn't have done things differently, and genuinely doesn't give a d**n. If I felt like it had been either that set her over the edge, I would have some sort of sympathy but what you all do not know is that she was always a rather cold and callus person... and I absolutely believe given the chance, she'd do it again.**.
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#30
It’s crazy to me I actually have an answer for this. A family member dated and almost married a girl that k****d a man with her ex. She did this previously to meeting my family. I didn’t know this bit of information until MONTHS of knowing her. Before I knew this she stayed with me frequently and legitimately seemed very nice. I couldn’t process it. I felt sick. I ended up googling her and found the whole story which was WAAAY worse than I could have imagined. I cried and felt insane. It made me feel gross. She helped us decorate our Christmas tree and then days later I found out. I dunno how to describe the feeling. It’s just... weird.
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#31
I worked with a guy that k****d his family.
He moved to our state from a state pretty far away. He seemed to be a nice guy. I sat next to him for well over a year. He had pictures of his kids at his desk and would talk your ear off about many subjects but would get weird and vague if you asked about his family.
One day he just doesn't come in to work. He never returned. Boss and coworkers have no idea where he went. He left all of his personal belongings at work. Then we see on the news that he was arrested for m****r.
He had several kids with his ex wife and she was looking to get child support out of him. He had remarried and didn't want to pay so he k****d her and his kids that he had with her and fled the state. He had managed to avoid the law for that year but then stupidly decided to try to get a new license in our state with his real name. He was found pretty quickly after that.
He moved to our state from a state pretty far away. He seemed to be a nice guy. I sat next to him for well over a year. He had pictures of his kids at his desk and would talk your ear off about many subjects but would get weird and vague if you asked about his family.
One day he just doesn't come in to work. He never returned. Boss and coworkers have no idea where he went. He left all of his personal belongings at work. Then we see on the news that he was arrested for m****r.
He had several kids with his ex wife and she was looking to get child support out of him. He had remarried and didn't want to pay so he k****d her and his kids that he had with her and fled the state. He had managed to avoid the law for that year but then stupidly decided to try to get a new license in our state with his real name. He was found pretty quickly after that.
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#32
My dad was good friends with a guy who k****d his wife to collect life insurance and get out of debts. He is currently serving something like 40 years.
My dad was shocked. This guy was at church every Sunday and gave no signs of being a complete psychopath. I guess my dad found out when it made local news.
My dad was shocked. This guy was at church every Sunday and gave no signs of being a complete psychopath. I guess my dad found out when it made local news.
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#33
Not friends with per se, but when Halo 3 came out, me and my good buddy had a group of friends we had met in matchmaking that we ended up playing with for about a year or two. Maybe just about five or six of us. You know, the kind of people who are just sensible, fun to talk to, and are also good at the game.
Anyway, one of the guys was particularly quiet, but nothing really struck me as *odd*. Of our group, I probably played with him the least. I guess towards the end, my buddy who played with him a lot more often said that he would complain about his family and stuff, and just would say weird things.
One week, he kinda fell off the face of the earth. I think maybe a week or two later, one of the guys in our group said "Guys did you hear about Marshall?" and I was like "No?" Apparently this guy k****d both his parents. In retrospect, my buddy was like "All the weird stuff he would say sort of makes sense now, but you would've never considered it threatening, it just sounded like any young kid complaining about his parents."
Anyway, one of the guys was particularly quiet, but nothing really struck me as *odd*. Of our group, I probably played with him the least. I guess towards the end, my buddy who played with him a lot more often said that he would complain about his family and stuff, and just would say weird things.
One week, he kinda fell off the face of the earth. I think maybe a week or two later, one of the guys in our group said "Guys did you hear about Marshall?" and I was like "No?" Apparently this guy k****d both his parents. In retrospect, my buddy was like "All the weird stuff he would say sort of makes sense now, but you would've never considered it threatening, it just sounded like any young kid complaining about his parents."
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#34
One day I was working on a family tree, and I'm quizzing my mom about different names and connections and stuff. Then out of nowhere she tosses out, "And then there was old Aunt Tillie, who strangled a little boy in her living room." Stop the press: say what? She explained that Tillie started hearing voices, and there was a little boy who used to always come by in the afternoon for cookies. One day he came in and she strangled him to d***h, and was found wandering the streets, babbling to herself. She was in an insane asylum for seven years, and was then released, and died shortly thereafter. Though I never knew this relative I found a newspaper article about it, and was haunted by the image of the little boy, and wondered about how many generations of his family were affected by this horrible event.
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#35
I knew a guy a few years ago who k****d his mum, stepdad and little sister. He then committed s*****e. He was honestly known as such a sweet and caring guy so that’s why everyone was so shocked when it happened- he sent a text to his friends before he committed s*****e that it was because his mum was a violent alcoholic and he thought d***h was the only way out.
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#36
A kid I grew up with m******d his entire family, aside from his older brother who had already moved out. He had been caught filming his sister showering and then k****d his mother, father, little brother and the sister he was filming. I’m from a small town so it shook the community pretty heavily. He was a nice kid, so it left a lot of us dumbfounded. The surviving brother still visits him in prison to this day. Sad story all he way around.
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#37

My manager at work was a pretty chill, nerdy guy. He was really nice to talk to and a fun boss. Then he smothered his infant son and it kind of messed me up for a while. This was a guy that I almost considered a friend. Everyone at work was shocked and didn't know how to handle or feel about it. Of course, we talked about it when there weren't any customers around, but most of it was the expected "I can't believe (manager) did this" talk.
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#38
I worked with a guy that m******d his gf. He was a cool dude. I sat with him a lot on my lunch breaks. We talked about football, school, life etc. Pretty normal stuff. Never would think he was a killer. He was not an aggressive person at all.
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#39
I knew this guy.
Before, like, literally the night before the crime, he was at my house talking about a new job he thought he'd gotten, how he was going to be able to take better care of his daughter, a new tattoo he was going to get, just random stuff.
Some backstory, he had a brain tumor when he was I think 9 or 10, not sure what kind or where but he was a 'make a wish' kid, I think he went to Disney or something, but they did manage to get it out with surgery. So he was a little, well, he wasn't stupid or disabled but I'd say 'slow', basically. He was a little [jerk] through his teen years, big pants, loud music, fast car, "Yo I'm gangstah!" kind of thing, but when he met his girlfriend and then especially when his daughter was born, he seemed to change a lot for the better.
He was the younger brother of a friend of mine. I went from "You can NOT bring Eddie to my house and I don't even want him to know where we live," to "Sure, Eddie and you can come for dinner," so yeah, lots of change.
The night it happened we played D&D that evening and he was as boringly normal as he ever was. Actually he'd never expressed any anger or anything toward the girlfriend's mother, at all. He'd said how happy he was that she was letting them live there and helping with the baby.
After, we only saw him once more, in court, when he was sentenced. We went with his mom, who we knew, and at the end, he turned his face and wouldn't even nod to us.
I just don't get it, I don't think I ever will.
Before, like, literally the night before the crime, he was at my house talking about a new job he thought he'd gotten, how he was going to be able to take better care of his daughter, a new tattoo he was going to get, just random stuff.
Some backstory, he had a brain tumor when he was I think 9 or 10, not sure what kind or where but he was a 'make a wish' kid, I think he went to Disney or something, but they did manage to get it out with surgery. So he was a little, well, he wasn't stupid or disabled but I'd say 'slow', basically. He was a little [jerk] through his teen years, big pants, loud music, fast car, "Yo I'm gangstah!" kind of thing, but when he met his girlfriend and then especially when his daughter was born, he seemed to change a lot for the better.
He was the younger brother of a friend of mine. I went from "You can NOT bring Eddie to my house and I don't even want him to know where we live," to "Sure, Eddie and you can come for dinner," so yeah, lots of change.
The night it happened we played D&D that evening and he was as boringly normal as he ever was. Actually he'd never expressed any anger or anything toward the girlfriend's mother, at all. He'd said how happy he was that she was letting them live there and helping with the baby.
After, we only saw him once more, in court, when he was sentenced. We went with his mom, who we knew, and at the end, he turned his face and wouldn't even nod to us.
I just don't get it, I don't think I ever will.
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#40
I've never really known what to make of it.
The story goes, circa 2002 and a group of my friends were in a car driven by a guy called Sean, who was cousin to two of them. Sean was a bit of a p***k. So, Sean thought it would be fun to go racing with them in the car. Sean was also not a very good driver. So, after accelerating along a long straight, Sean approached a roundabout, braked too hard, came off-road, hit a lamp post, and k****d everyone in the car apart from himself.
What happened after that isn't entirely clear. I know there was a major family feud (as you'd expect when one cousin kills two others), and I know Sean had a major row with his mother. What happened there though, only Sean knows. The police couldn't find anything other than traces of her blood. She hasn't been seen since. Sean has never been convicted, apparently due to lack of evidence.
I still don't know what to make of it.
The story goes, circa 2002 and a group of my friends were in a car driven by a guy called Sean, who was cousin to two of them. Sean was a bit of a p***k. So, Sean thought it would be fun to go racing with them in the car. Sean was also not a very good driver. So, after accelerating along a long straight, Sean approached a roundabout, braked too hard, came off-road, hit a lamp post, and k****d everyone in the car apart from himself.
What happened after that isn't entirely clear. I know there was a major family feud (as you'd expect when one cousin kills two others), and I know Sean had a major row with his mother. What happened there though, only Sean knows. The police couldn't find anything other than traces of her blood. She hasn't been seen since. Sean has never been convicted, apparently due to lack of evidence.
I still don't know what to make of it.
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