Socially rejected, isolated, anxious, angry, lonely, chronically online, and marginalized young men are turning to manosphere influencers for answers. They become radicalized and embrace toxic masculinity, which harms not just them but also the people around them. However, many guys become disillusioned with these ideas. They embrace greater self-awareness and begin to see the world with more nuance.
#61
I grew up in a house full of women exposed to their casual discussion of men in general. This exposure together with seeing how they treated the men in their lives led me to greater conservatism. They appeared to seek not equality but dominance.
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#62
I had to Google manosphere to know what it meant. But it seems like the natural reaction to how toxic the feminist movement was becoming.
And I don't really think you "choose" your belief system. It's something innate in you, and the definitions come from other people.
And I don't really think you "choose" your belief system. It's something innate in you, and the definitions come from other people.
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#63
First of all, it’s great to see you out here getting genuinely curious and asking the opposition why they think what they think. There is way not enough of that happening, both sides need to be talking and discussing each other’s opposing beliefs instead of going in opposite directions and hating each other more. The gender war/divide is not turning out well for anyone and it’s time we all start turning it around like you are doing here.
For me personally, I got thoroughly sick and tired of mainstream thought (which is overwhelmingly feminist/liberal) telling men the wrong things and essentially outright lying to us about who we are and who we should be, how we should behave and how we should interact with ourselves and women alike.
Especially the mindset that masculinity is toxic and that we need to drastically change who we are (READ: become weak individuals who are incapable of standing up for their beliefs, enforcing respect where it’s due, using violence of any kind even if it’s to defend themselves or others) in order to be considered “human” and therefore then worthy enough to interact with women, who we should essentially let walk all over us and not expect anything in return. And oh, if we dare question a woman or hold her accountable for her bad behaviour or toxic beliefs, we are somehow misogynistic.
20+ years of this poison that has permeated its way throughout society in the form of television news, TV shows, politics and education has stripped a lot of men of their natural masculinity and therefore their backbone, to the point they are tip-toeing on eggshells around women because they’re afraid of being shamed or branded a misogynist for holding a woman accountable, or much less expecting mutual respect. It has brought about a kind of neo-chivalry, where men are taught to bow down to women simply because they are women who automatically deserve respect no matter what, while the same is not afforded to men.
This is the crux of the issue: the deep hypocrisy of modern feminist / liberal thought. “Rule for thee but not for me”. Feminism claims to fight for gender equality, but the so-called “equality” it fights for stops there. The very name “Feminism” gives it away perfectly; it’s only concern is for “female” and things of a “feminine” nature, there is no consideration for men beyond what feminism expects of us. This is a huge mistake because men play a massive part in the world, and to ignore their place in all of this will simply push them away which will not be productive to anyone.
When men first start seeing the light of the other side and waking up a little, depending on who they are it can cause a shock and send them to the extreme end of the spectrum, where they’re inspired to hate women simply for being women. Let me be very clear that this is deeply unhealthy and not good for anyone. Like any new discovery, adopting a new lens to view yourself and the world should be taken slowly to correctly assess its reasonableness and the extent to which you shall adopt it.
However, men jumping in the deep end of the Manosphere is especially exacerbated when we see feminists saying egregious, misandrist things like:
“What do we need men for? They are useless”
“All men are bad”
“Men are creepy”…
And then they wonder why men hate them. It’s pretty self explanatory, really. You can’t spew hate and vitriol at someone and foolishly expect them not to hate you; that never works out well.
For me personally, I got thoroughly sick and tired of mainstream thought (which is overwhelmingly feminist/liberal) telling men the wrong things and essentially outright lying to us about who we are and who we should be, how we should behave and how we should interact with ourselves and women alike.
Especially the mindset that masculinity is toxic and that we need to drastically change who we are (READ: become weak individuals who are incapable of standing up for their beliefs, enforcing respect where it’s due, using violence of any kind even if it’s to defend themselves or others) in order to be considered “human” and therefore then worthy enough to interact with women, who we should essentially let walk all over us and not expect anything in return. And oh, if we dare question a woman or hold her accountable for her bad behaviour or toxic beliefs, we are somehow misogynistic.
20+ years of this poison that has permeated its way throughout society in the form of television news, TV shows, politics and education has stripped a lot of men of their natural masculinity and therefore their backbone, to the point they are tip-toeing on eggshells around women because they’re afraid of being shamed or branded a misogynist for holding a woman accountable, or much less expecting mutual respect. It has brought about a kind of neo-chivalry, where men are taught to bow down to women simply because they are women who automatically deserve respect no matter what, while the same is not afforded to men.
This is the crux of the issue: the deep hypocrisy of modern feminist / liberal thought. “Rule for thee but not for me”. Feminism claims to fight for gender equality, but the so-called “equality” it fights for stops there. The very name “Feminism” gives it away perfectly; it’s only concern is for “female” and things of a “feminine” nature, there is no consideration for men beyond what feminism expects of us. This is a huge mistake because men play a massive part in the world, and to ignore their place in all of this will simply push them away which will not be productive to anyone.
When men first start seeing the light of the other side and waking up a little, depending on who they are it can cause a shock and send them to the extreme end of the spectrum, where they’re inspired to hate women simply for being women. Let me be very clear that this is deeply unhealthy and not good for anyone. Like any new discovery, adopting a new lens to view yourself and the world should be taken slowly to correctly assess its reasonableness and the extent to which you shall adopt it.
However, men jumping in the deep end of the Manosphere is especially exacerbated when we see feminists saying egregious, misandrist things like:
“What do we need men for? They are useless”
“All men are bad”
“Men are creepy”…
And then they wonder why men hate them. It’s pretty self explanatory, really. You can’t spew hate and vitriol at someone and foolishly expect them not to hate you; that never works out well.
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